Sounds Strategic

Podcast host Meia Nouwens is joined by IISS experts Veerle Nouwens, Morgan Michaels and Darshana Baruah to reflect on the 22nd IISS Shangri-La Dialogue, which was held on 30 May–1 June 2025.  Meia, Veerle, Morgan and Darshana discuss key takeaways and topics include:  US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and his landmark speech on the US’ new ambitions for the Indo-Pacific;  President Macron’s proposal for greater European-Asian engagement; President Anwar Ibrahim’s call for shared purpose and cooperation in order to prevent further fracturing of the international order and support peace and stability; and how the wider Indo-Pacific dynamics featured in this year’s Shangri-La Dialogue, such as the security priorities of Pacific Island states and the ongoing conflict in Myanmar.   We hope you enjoy the episode and please follow, rate and subscribe to Sounds Strategic on the podcast platform of your choice.              &n